Fanboy/girling in anime and some of what it really looks like in practice

Here is an obvious hint: it never looks good. And this post will not look good either.

At times I would actually think why some of my favorite shows don’t make top 20, let alone top 100 list. An extremely easy answer, though full of ignorance, would be “MyAnimeList“, akin to saying “Japan” to whoever that asked, “why is this shit (anime) so weird?”

So I began my short-lived journey in the cyberspace, to search for satisfying answers my wonder surrounding the psychology of anime fans—some of us.

None of what I have to say here should alter your view on any shows mentioned in this post. But believe it, this would be a good insight for human psychology, even better if you happen to be studying around this major.

 


 

It is more than understandable that most of my favorite shows obviously do not deserve ratings near the level of masterpiece because when they are to be put through the process of reliable evaluation, a ridiculous amount of technical flaws would all be exposed.
There is however, always a case of “but”; but what if we decide to overlook the flaws and just enjoy things for what they are?

Well, most of us can do that and we actually do it to an extent as a defensive move against horribly flawed shows. Some people however, do more than just that and I guess it gets really nasty from there on.

This is not meant to be a philosophical kind of post since I simply lack the brain to do that just now.

Also, pictures say a thousand words, right?
I’ll let them do the talking.

MyAnimeList

MAL top 10.png

 

Anime-Planet

Anime-Planet top 10

 

AniDB

AniDB top 10

Based out of the three database sites, there is an obvious message…

 


So really, MAL is most definitely a gathering place of disrespectful fanboys/girls, but what else?

 

It should be clear to you that Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood has a special place for fanboys/girls. That alone does not sound harmful, really; we are all entitled to be a huge fan of something, right?

Well unfortunately a lot of people do not see it that way, and by a lot I mean enough for the impact to be noticeable. The feud is on fire between top rated shows and FMAB as diehard fans battle to defend the title from dropping off the first place in ratings. It’s kind of laughable but even then, I know the feeling of having things I love gaining the attention they deserve.

Pointing our fingers at FMAB alone will only put us in part of the problem and not the solution. Funnily, there is no solution to it as long as we are entitled to a thing called opinion (something I will eventually make a post about for damn sure). The issue is also not one way; the vice versa is happening at all times, too.

 

MAL Statistics for Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

FMAB Stat.png

This leads me to the next mind-bogging question…

 


A functioning brain: What is it?

 

This is why we need FBI to do more than just spying on people. This is why North Korea will continue to garner worldwide attention. This is why I will never believe in world peace. Reality is cruel; there are still humans living on planet Earth without proper, functioning brain.

Back to anime talk now…

Yes, art is subjective. But even then, there still are some things considered legitimate by the mass. Not good nor bad; just legitimately qualified for art. And FMAB is by absolutely ALL means legitimate for a show with a fictional story. If it does not deserve a masterpiece rating (10) in your books, the show then can still be regarded as average (5) at best, and that is actually where the last lump of votes go into as seen by the picture above. If you look carefully, you should be able to see that it is close to pointless in giving the show a horrible (2) rating since it clearly is not.
So, what is with the edgelords throwing in the appalling (1) votes on something that clearly should not even have 1– 3 gap existing?

That, my friends, is fanboy/girling.
The target — Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
The source — Diehard fans of other shows in the top (perhaps ten) ladder.

They get butthurt when their favorite shows go through reputation stain. Have you ever thought about a show that really has gone through exactly that?
i.e. the vice versa?

Hametsu no Mars Stat.png
I will leave you to find out which show this is from~

So, for a truly appalling anime show, apparently mass voting a masterpiece (10) is suddenly comedic and well accepted?
All of my what.

 


No, I am not here with a slightest intention of defending FMAB

 

Because like I’ve said, FMAB has its special place only in MyAnimeList, being a gathering place for over a million anime watchers worldwide. It does not sound like heaps since there are nearly eight billion people on Earth, but within the realm of MyAnimeList, that is practically the same as India (note quite China because that’s comparably Death Note), in other words it’s HUGE.

The fanboys/girls of FMAB are literally no different to the attackers towards the franchise. They also go out of their way to down-vote many other shows sitting in the top ladder and at times go above and beyond to remove anything that has been stealing its supposed spot, first. Again, it’s really laughable to think that humans can be this much of a cooperate sheep, especially when it comes to anime which does not cost their life let alone their money.

And because they are battles of numbers, the impact is extremely noticeable this way around. Let us look at:

 

Owarimonogatari 2nd Season

Owarimonogatari 2nd Season Stat
Fans of the franchise LOVED it, so you know who do not.

 

Kimi no Na Wa.

Kimi no Na Wa. Stat
 This anime used to sit at first place but behold, the power of fanboys/girls.

 

Hunter x Hunter

Hunter x Hunter Stat
In my 23 years of being alive, absolutely nobody has ever told me this anime is shit, so can you please explain the 1’s in this?

 

Battle of the Galactic Heroes

Ginga Eiyuu Dendetsu Stat
More like battle of fanboys/girls as this one is hit pretty hard.

 

It is practically the same deal here, guys. None of these shows truly deserve a rating of below 4, fanboys/girls will do just about anything. In small-scale, percentages cannot really do the telling so just take a look at raw numbers:

Taking Kimi no Na Wa. as an example — the votes for 1 is almost five times of 2.
Taking Hunter x Hunter as an example — the votes for 1 is almost three times of 2.

So why not a 4? 3? let alone 2? Why does it have to be 1?

Funnily, half of these people could not be bothered to read MAL’s scoring system and probably thought that by giving the show a rating of 1 would be the most effective boycotting method. In case you still have not checked it out, here:

Weighted Rank (WR) = (v / (v + m)) * S + (m / (v + m)) * C

S = Average score for the Anime (mean).
v = Number of votes for the Anime = (Number of people scoring the Anime).
m = Minimum votes/scores required to get a calculated score (currently 50 scores required).
C = The mean score across the entire Anime DB.

Quick maths right there, brains! To me, these people are just as much of comedy as Big Shaq on a roll.

 

And come on, I cannot leave this part of the topic without mentioning the show that is on a constant battle with fanboys/girls of FMAB.

I present you the show that gets hit hard every single time: Gintama!

 

Third Season of Gintama

Gintama 3 Stat

 

Latest Season of Gintama

Gintama Slip Arc Stat

 

The numbers are small but enough to make those 1 bars stretch out like mad. Anyone with a functional brain should be able to recognize that something is not right with the statistics. It has become a thing since then and pretty much ANY show that makes it to the top ten spot are instantly threatened by diehard fans of the more popular series. It is important to note that FMAB has a fanbase twice as large as Gintama‘s. And with less than a fifth of Gintama‘s watchers actually made it past the third season, FMAB‘s fanbase is now eight times larger. Eight to one ratio, that’s like boulder vs. small rock whenever battles of fanboys/girls take place.

Some other shows which have been either taking direct or collateral damage from the fanboy/girl war are but not limited to:

 

Compared to big dogs like FMAB, the numbers are extremely small but that is exactly what makes this issue noticeable. And trust me, FMAB fans are not the only attackers—there are a LOT more. Gintama‘s fans are nearly just as salty.

 


To a place where less of it happens

 

This is where I start going way down the ladder in hope of finding a place where fanboy/girling has less effect. If anyone actually has the knowledge on Statistics at all, they would tell you that something like MAL’s statistics should have a representative model for normal distributions.

Down we go, to the rating around 7’s.

It seems that no matter the rating, popular shows will always attract hate. You know what I’m talking about, right?

Sword Art Online

SAO Stat

 

But if you actually look carefully, doesn’t it seem much less biased than those sitting at the top ten? SAO is well known to be hated by edgy small-dicks who want to stroke their ego big time (not my words, go read MAL forums lol). While I can understand the hate for FMAB and Gintama since the testosterone-fueled apes clearly do not want their favorite show to have its face sit on by something else, the hate for Sword Art Online is different to those for the top ten; they are mostly pretentious and hollow, used as a quick gateway to sounding diplomatic in an already large community.

Look at it again, this show is getting nearly as much ‘hate’ as one of the worst anime shows in history.

Hametsu no Mars Stat.png
Only two-thousand 1 votes shy from being bad, no?

 

Now, looking at some much less biased shows, we start to see a LOT more honest people.

 

Amagami SS

Amagami SS Stat
A Parabola — ah, that is more like it!

 

Tales of Zestitria the X

ToZ the X Stat

 

Now you could come at me and say that an ‘outlier’ does happen, but we are talking psychological impact on a database here. Do you still believe in such coincidence as an outlier?

I certainly do not.

 


 

After all of my shitty rants, what did I get out of my time spent looking at these things?

Well, firstly MyAnimeList is clearly not the place for you to judge ANY anime show. Secondly, migrating to another database site like Anime-Planet or AniDB will only save you from the abomination for only a little while; this kind of thing happens to any place with high population density. And lastly, this kind of shit will NEVER stop for as long as humans continue to exist; it is all in our very nature. Some of us are just much less likely to become triggered by something trivial like rankings.

Though, I think that by writing out this post—I’m triggered, right?

Will I still keep on using MyAnimeList?
Hell yes, it is a database after all. What do you think I really use it for?
I will not ask you to check out what kind of rating I have given to any show I review on this blog; I will not ask you to head over to MyAnimeList profile to validate my opinion and to stroke my ego.

I would really much love your input on this issue as it will never go away! While there would eventually be a time when we cannot agree on something to heart, let us talk lots before it gets to that point.

Shall we?  |^_^|

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30 thoughts on “Fanboy/girling in anime and some of what it really looks like in practice

  1. I’m sorry Shoka-san but all the graphs made me a little confused!

    I however, refuse to accept this as a filler, because it made sense (even though I wasn’t smart enough to get it, lol)

    I guess it’s just most anime databases end up becoming opinion sites, which ruins the purpose of a database, no?
    That’s the reason one must leave fangirling/ fanboying in their blog/ twitter / instagram and use reason on database sites. Because data can’t be biased, right?

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    1. It’s fine. Maybe I can explain this post a little better for you since you have recently written something about harassment.

      Fanboys/girls of most top rated anime easily suppressed their fear from having another show topping them, went on and ‘raped’ said show’s ratings. And naturally, this will never stop until authority is shown.

      Two ways really, either they die (literally) or prevented from accessing the database altogether, and there are many ways to do that (like banning accounts but they would just make new ones because why not—fanboys/girls).

      And yes, having a place where opinions pile up can NEVER, ever lead to a good ending, period. We are human after all; it is in our nature to sometimes agree to disagree. Some people however would much prefer if there is absolutely no disagreement.

      Ever heard of ‘shutting up’ someone behind the scene? Like, killing witnesses in movies, etc.
      If these guys can do it, they definitely would.

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  2. Scores in general do nothing for me, especially when they’re user-submitted as seen here… because of exactly what you’re talking about. Review-bombing is an unfortunate reality of today’s “everyone has a voice” thing, because not everyone can be bothered to actually use that voice to be constructive when the option to just assign an arbitrary number exists.

    Not only that, everyone has a different definition of what those different numbers “mean” (regardless of whether or not the place they’re posting their ratings has an official policy in place). And on top of that things like mobile app stores and iTunes have brought about the philosophy that “1 star” and “5 stars” are the only real ratings that mean anything. Like something? 5 stars, 10/10, full marks. Dislike it, whether mildly or with the burning fire of a thousand hatred-filled suns? 1 star.

    Speaking from my perspective primarily as a video game fan, I’ve had the most fun with games that are low down on the Metacritic ladder — my favourite series’ first installment was languishing in the 30s, if I remember correctly, but it’s one of my most fondly regarded games now. *I* know these numbers are meaningless; it’s just kind of unfortunate that there will be people out there who look at something like MyAnimeList and perhaps reject a potential new favourite on the grounds that some people claimed to hate it.

    This is also why I don’t score games on my site. 🙂

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    1. Wooohooo! Well done, you!

      Whatever happened to talking to your friends nearby while fanboying, right?
      Too many people are aiming to be vocal in a dense community and time after time it has been proven futile.

      I can wholeheartedly agree with your last point, too! Just for this season specifically I started looking at anime sitting anywhere from 5.0 rating in MAL when I used to look at 7 plus, which is considered ‘good’ or better. And damn, some of my favorites shows from this season are sitting below a 7.

      I remember telling you about my most favorite space shoot em up, Gun-Nac. Even that has a Famitsu rating of 26/40 (6.5 out of 10)!

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  3. we’ve oddly become “rating centered” actually. the same phenomenom is happening on Rotten Tomatoes. For some reason, that rating is crucial to us as humans, and I really find the whole thing baffling. Also, FMAB? There are a lot of shows I’d put my life on the line for, but, c’mon. I guess they’re willing to die for it.
    But this is why I don’t really use MAL for anything other than looking up who sang the OP and EDs xD
    even the review game there is hostile. back when there is a “not helpful” option, people would hate spam that to ensure their review stays on the top of the review section. hahaha

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    1. Haha aye sir!
      I use MAL to look up character names since I can’t seem to remember them on the first few weeks of watching LOL.
      Same goes for OP and ED.

      Yeah I remember that not helpful option, MAL is biting its own ass, seriously haha!

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  4. I completely agree with what you’re saying but what I’m more ticked about is when fanboys/girls rate a show a 10 (as a joke) when in reality, it’s a bunch of shit and is actually around the 1-5 scoring range. I’ve seen SO many shows have that kind of fan base like Inferno Cop, Bananya, Shiba Inuko-san, and even when Pingu was announced to be animated by a Japanese studio, people managed to get that show almost to the very top of the top overall anime on MAL. I know it’s supposed to be funny and humorous, but I find it more annoying, to be honest.

    …but I’ll admit that I can be one of those fanboys (cough Amagami SS cough) 😛

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  5. I very much enjoy FMAB as a show, but I agree there is something fundamentally wrong with trying to tear down the reputation of other shows just to make your own favorite look better. I believe that, even if we don’t enjoy a certain show as much as another, there is still value in that show. Attack on Titan, for instance. I think Attack on Titan has terrible story progression, annoying characters, and a generally flawed plot… but good heavens, the visuals are incredible, and the soundtrack is hype to the max, and that’s something to be proud of! I’d give the show maybe a 7 overall, but that’s my honest opinion.

    I don’t really comprehend the mentality of needing a certain show to be at the top of the rankings, after all, Anime is a medium for people to watch what they enjoy, and express their honest views, right? Who cares about MAL rankings or whatever. Yeah, that’s just my 2 cents.

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    1. I’m in tears, seeing fellow bloggers not stooping low like those people… 🙂

      The hidden number one anime is always your favorite show, everyone has that show. If we are going by pure popularity alone, Death Note would take the cake (and I still have yet to start watching it lol). I don’t actually get it either, get what’s with allowing public to express their ‘opinions’ freely. Pepsi learned that mistake first hand, MAL is ages behind these guys, really.

      This is frankly what freedom of speech has done to the community, not just in anime but pretty much everywhere else that involves process of judgement.

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  6. Well……It’s probably not really a big surprise that I am going to give a comment on this post as well (at least I hope I can, and not that I’m getting flagged again as spam by Akismet 😂😂).
    With everything that one watches or reads, in the end it all comes down to personal preference. Sometimes a show gets hyped (either because it really is very good, or because everyone is going on the hype train and it would be strange to not jump on it). I always become very wary when a show is either or hyped or getting completely destroyed.

    The first because I’ve been disappointed way too often by something that has been praised as being the next best thing.
    The second because I have watched a lot of things that apparently wasn’t liked by anyone but I thoroughly enjoyed. But there is a danger in that as well. I have to admit that when I really enjoy something I also go into full on praise mode and find it hard to point out the movies/series weaknesses. Because I refuse to accept the fact that it has flaws lol. In the end though…what it comes down to is your own opinion. If you like something, watch it, praise it…but also accept the fact that there other people who might just have a completely different opinion. You really put a lot of research in this post….so I definitely don’t see this as a filler post at all 😊

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    1. Haha damn I love how we are all shitting on Plyassan’s comment!
      And that’s basically opinion in a nutshell, LOL!

      Even though we all know it to be a joke, still funny to me damn it. Ah kill me now~

      Exactly man, I went all out praise mode for Saekano Flat too despite knowing its flaws full well. Though I don’t ever think that it is my responsibility to dish out pluses and minuses for every single damn thing I talk about. If I like something I’ll praise it, if I don’t then I won’t say much.

      As for something that’s truly bad, I’d use the last ‘bad’ thing I have seen as a reference and work a way to come up with the final judgement to see how bad it really is in comparison. It’s a tiring process but apparently if I want to not come off as brainless fanboy, I should at least be able to do that much…

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  7. Ignore scores and ratings and just read reasons and then you get a more accurate view of why someone likes or dislikes something which will kind of help you decide whether you would like or dislike it. It doesn’t help that not everyone rating on these systems uses the same mearsuing stick or has the same understanding of what the different ratings mean anyway. So even if they are being honest their view of a 7 is probably radically different from someone else also rating the same.

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    1. I’m fine on that part, I’m not tainted by the views of MAL—don’t you worry about me. 🙂

      It’s just one of those writings I do once in a while since it’s the Blog of Wonders after all… haha
      On a serious note, if every one can be given the same stick to evaluate fictional shows then I’m afraid that Bachelor’s in Arts degree won’t be holding much of its remaining value. 😛

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  8. I think that making solid inferences from statistics in this case is a little difficult, even if it is a very modern methodology to rank things (entertainment, products, services etc…) – There’s too much bias from recommendation-cascades, bandwagoning, fresh-vs-oldschool, etc… . Oh man, just thinking how this relates to the impact factor in the research realm makes me cringe a little more, haha.

    Although an ideal case would be where the same, large (>100,000) group of people distributed evenly over different age groups were to watch and rate all the anime watched, it is more likely to yield less biased and more informative data on opinions, this certainly not the case in reality.

    Try not to get too obsessed with the numbers I guess – both from the point of view of looking for recommendations from statistics, and of reviewing the impact of a series from statistics.
    I’m sure the producers and authors (and the series itself, if it had a soul) would be happy to know who truely appreciate (rather than pure fan-hyping without definite reasons) its existence.

    Hmm this post made me re-think about how I have been placing personal scores on the series I watched… XD

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    1. Yeah I’m just showing what it looks like haha! Not that I care too much. 😮

      Though it dies hurt the future generation of anime consumers as they would need to be taught on where to look for good anime as a pre requisite. It’s becoming way too toxic which heavily reminds me of League of Legends rofl…
      It’s fun to play but only with your friends.
      MAL is already that kind of place; your genuine actions guarantee boycotting. Have a friend to keep your sanity would be great lol…

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      1. Haha yea in this world today we need to know how to distinguish real information from falsehoods. The internet makes things a lot easier for all of us, but that also makes a lot of junk available…
        We humans can’t be satisfied (lol), I guess we all just want to be absolutely right somehow. 😛

        and.. There there (よしよし), ‘insanity insanity go away~’

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  9. One of the issues with these types of aggregate scoring databases (and with the larger ides of evaluating “art”) is that there is not set empirical criteria to base the ratings on. Maybe someone thinks the idea of sentient robots is sacrilegious so FMAB gets a 1. Maybe someone absolutely fell in love with the character design of Shirako Mari so Urahara gets a 10.

    I know my MAL ratings are half based on irrational enjoyment factors that have little to do with how objectively good a series is or how likely I would be to recommend it to someone else, and half based on what I think to be an actual dispassionate evaluation of the merits of a show. In the end, it means my ratings are rubbish and I have 2 shows rated 7, one which I loved and one which I barely managed to finish…

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    1. Ooooh you are sure hard to please. :3
      The best -dere there is~

      Of course, the shows sitting on top ten are not immune to being hated by some individuals, but given how an insanely huge margin of ‘viewers’ have rated it above average should be enough to settle on how the show is clearly not rubbish.

      I guess this kind of judgement births edgelords. I honestly want to meet these people in real life and see how miserable their lives can really be. It is very obvious that one of the biggest reasons why anyone would give a remotely good show ‘1’ is looking for attention.

      Oh and they got it, from yours truly.

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